Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos moderate the Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858:

LINCOLN: I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect slavery will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other …

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you love America this much (extending fingers), this much (extending hands slightly), or thiiiiiis much (extending hands broadly)?

LINCOLN: I think we covered this …

GIBSON: If I may interrupt …

LINCOLN: Please.

GIBSON: I noticed, Mr. Lincoln, that your American flag pin was upside down …